2011-12-21 15:57:23 • Adrian Czychowski (bmadixon) | |
Black Magic - The lords of XO | # 5954 |
However, no match will take place on this day | |
2011-12-21 15:42:33 • Adrian Czychowski (bmadixon) | |
Black Magic - The lords of XO | # 5953 |
Match EL between Black Magic or The lords of XO will be on 24December Saturday cl: 14:00 Because we have problem with this shit: (date/time is not 72hours since now) | |
2011-11-26 14:54:39 • Adam Horvath (anakinnmoose) | |
RE: Czech Layback vs.Violent Pandas | # 5870 |
ye we made a deal :) | |
2011-11-25 15:45:59 • Jan Purkrábek (czpaypurkys) | |
Czech Layback vs.Violent Pandas | # 5867 |
Czech Layback and Violent Pandas just made a deal about new match date...our teams will play 27.11. 2011 at 18:00 (rabity). | |
2011-11-22 13:04:09 • Csaba Kampos (mclander) | |
9pm | # 5856 |
Ok, its still allright for us. | |
2011-11-22 11:56:10 • Alex Popiel (lolamaza) | |
RE: thu | # 5855 |
Our apologies.
7 p.m. will not be alright, as all of the team members, as this week shows, are either at work or still study. Let's play at 9 p.m. the same day. | |
2011-11-19 03:38:43 • Andrey Litvinenko (np_popovich) | |
Czech Layback B - North Pole | # 5847 |
Czech Layback B vs North Pole will play 2011-11-26 at 18-00 KT | |
2011-11-17 12:28:51 • anatolie smirnov (sherhan) | |
Dark Teams-rockfall | # 5842 |
Dark Teams-I have confirmed your offer | |
2011-11-15 21:58:20 • Alex Popiel (lolamaza) | |
RE: The Lords of XO vs. Easy Riders | # 5840 |
Very well.
Good luck and see you on the pitch! | |
2011-11-15 21:20:33 • Csaba Kampos (mclander) | |
thu | # 5838 |
Ok, it's allright, for us. | |
2011-11-14 22:42:27 • Alex Popiel (lolamaza) | |
RE: The Lords of XO vs. Easy Riders | # 5827 |
I am afraid, this date is not possible for us. One day before, on the other hand, on Thursday, 24.11.2011, 19:00 KT, would be good. | |
2011-11-14 21:28:27 • Csaba Kampos (mclander) | |
RE: The Lords of XO vs. Easy Riders | # 5825 |
If possible, we want to play a week later: 2011,Nov. 25 | |
2011-11-14 14:52:46 • Alex Popiel (lolamaza) | |
The Lords of XO vs. Easy Riders | # 5824 |
Due to some misunderstanding and the automatic date approval, the fixture between The Lords of XO and Easy Riders did not take place in the time planned, as the Easy Riders only had 1 player in the room, while the 2nd one only appeared 20 minutes later. Despite our right to close the round with the Easy Riders' walkover, I would like to state that my team is willing to play this fixture anyway, e.g., on Friday, 18.11.2011, at 19:00 KT (CET).
Waiting for the Easy Riders' response. | |
2011-05-16 15:13:38 • Andrey Sviridov (cr_spartak) | |
RE: cRUSaders : Demons and Wizards | # 5654 |
See you at 20-30. | |
2011-05-16 12:14:12 • Marek Gorzecki (alicecooperpl) | |
cRUSaders : Demons and Wizards | # 5653 |
We agree with Andrey (cr_spartak) to play dobrocin ~ 2011-05-16 20:30 instead of 20:00 | |
2011-05-04 08:05:51 • Andrey Sviridov (cr_spartak) | |
RE: DW vs LXO | # 5622 |
Greetings!
Please refer to "The decisions" thread to see the Committee decision about this case and possibilily to play a rematch. | |
2011-05-01 17:04:53 • Alex Popiel (lolamaza) | |
DW vs LXO | # 5602 |
Here I shall quote the last messages of the discussion.
Alice made a proposal, I commented on it and came up with mine listing the conditions required. No one responded, thereby accepting them. Brandishing fists after the fight never proves anyone's might. 2011-01-15 02:32:38 • Marek Gorzecki (alicecooper_pl) (reply) Reply to # 5291 RE: break in match # 5302 1) i agree with cr_partak: it is bad idea to back to past 2) i understand that Lords have to right to use rules for their best business 3) but i understand too, anger of my team mates as they are convinced about win so i apologize for any of my bad words (and my mates) and propose to play rematch after this season (for sure that both teams will find time) 2011-01-15 08:01:42 • Alex Popiel (lolamaza) (reply) A Peace Treaty # 5303 Dear Members of the Respected Community: Leaning upon the current EuroLeague rules, The Lords of XO have refused the rematch offers coming from Demons and Wizards, and our primary motivation was that the time limits proposed (i.e. playing a rematch between the forthcoming rounds) were dissatisfying for us, let alone the imperative attitude chosen by our conversation partners which we found somewhat insulting. However, given that this is the first time our opponent team are approaching us without cavils and with a reasonable offer, I believe that no reasons exist not to make advances towards a halfway solution that could satisfy the teams involved and the community. Indeed, if either or both teams keep on pursuing tournament aims at the end of the season and the additional 0.5 points could suffice for the title, an agreement can be reached in order to play the long awaited rematch by request of one of the captains. I believe that the path to mutual respect is the only way to keep everybody happy and move forward in partnership, not squabbles. Best regards, Alex Popiel | |
2011-05-01 12:01:04 • Michał Żukowski (zukolepl) | |
RE: Demons and Wizards-The Lords of XO | # 5600 |
This gentlemen's agreement is among the lords players :-)? I heard nothing from Alice about agreement. Otherwise i consider that this agreement is very funny, you want play or not want. Sentence, that you play if "a 0.5 point deficit for the victory in the competition after the result of the 9th round" ( so only if we win with you cube and you win both matches ) in my opinion is devoid of the spirit of fair play.
Regards, Zukole. | |
2011-04-28 11:58:45 • Alex Popiel (lolamaza) | |
RE: Demons and Wizards-The Lords of XO | # 5587 |
As an afterthought to what our captain stated, I would like to mention that, as a result of the debates, we reached a gentlemen's agreement: the re-match will take place if the additional half a point will mean the title for any of our teams at the end of the season. In other words, should DW or LXO have a 0.5 point deficit for the victory in the competition after the result of the 9th round, we will gladly take part in the re-match.
Sincerely, Alex | |
2011-04-23 12:47:03 • Michał Żukowski (zukolepl) | |
RE: Demons and Wizards-The Lords of XO | # 5567 |
has our possible match any importance for the final result or no ?:)
Mhm ;-) | |
2011-04-23 05:56:37 • Ilya Katsev (lobromozel) | |
RE: Demons and Wizards-The Lords of XO | # 5565 |
Hi
I propose to discuss this possibility after the season. We don't want to play during the last round, because there is no sufficient time to prepare to two matches. Moreover, after the season we will see, has our possible match any importance for the final result or no. | |
2011-04-21 22:58:59 • Marek Gorzecki (alicecooperpl) | |
Demons and Wizards-The Lords of XO | # 5564 |
Hello The Lords of XO
As I understood decision http://www.euroleague.cz/php/viewmsg.php?for=8&msg=5285 we can play our match if You still agree, and if we can find apropiate date. What do You think about for example 8.05.2011 12.00? Regards Mark | |
2011-03-06 19:23:32 • Csilla Vassné B. (th_vacsi) | |
GDC : Trojan Horse | # 5438 |
Hello !
We were waiting for GDC a quarter of an hour, they didn't come. vacsi and TH | |
2011-02-06 18:12:04 • Martin Sýkora (suchuch) | |
Team GDC didn´t come | # 5368 |
Hi, I´m writtig because of the fact that the team GDC didn´t come in date. Our witness - videotonfcf, I have print screen too. We can play this match in other date, if the team GDC will want. Martin Sykora | |
2011-01-25 15:45:45 • Costinas Beniamin (vlh_dragon) | |
RE: You Cube - Valahia | # 5336 |
Sure, I understand. See you at the agreed time and date. | |
2011-01-25 14:01:19 • Gábor Gyenes (ycgabor) | |
RE: You Cube - Valahia | # 5335 |
Hi Costinas,
Unfortunately, I can't play on friday:( I think other Cube mates don't want to play in 3 vs 4. But I would be peaceful, if we can play on the agreement date. | |
2011-01-24 21:39:12 • Costinas Beniamin (vlh_dragon) | |
You Cube - Valahia | # 5334 |
Hello Gabor and You Cube members. If you could play friday, we'd appreciate it. So i propose friday at 18:00 KT.
This is just a friendly request. It is a better date for us, but if you can't there's no problem. | |
2011-01-23 19:30:04 • Aleksander Nowak (com_an_24) | |
Company - Midi Rod ! | # 5332 |
We would like to accept date offered by MD, but I am not able to. Don't have this option now.
Regards an_24 | |
2011-01-23 13:27:10 • Igor Eged (ancientdragon) | |
Czech Layback - Outsiders | # 5331 |
The match will start 15:00, one hour later. | |
2011-01-22 06:41:23 • Aleksander Nowak (com_an_24) | |
Team Midi Rod MG | # 5329 |
Ok - we are ready to play in the proposed deadline.
Good luck :) Regards an_24 & Company | |
2010-12-11 00:47:24 • Piotr Małowiejski (dt_angst) | |
RE: Czech Layback - Dark Team | # 5106 |
Hello!
Thanks for understanding :) I'm waiting for our good games! Best regards, Angst | |
2010-12-10 19:27:25 • Bretislav Krcek (czldenim) | |
RE: Czech Layback - Dark Team | # 5102 |
Hi Angst, OK, we will be ready at 21:00. Sorry for the late reply. | |
2010-12-09 00:19:20 • Piotr Małowiejski (dt_angst) | |
Czech Layback - Dark Team | # 5098 |
Dear Bretislav and all Czech Layback Players,
I would like to kindly request you to agree to play our match later than 20:00 at Sunday. Due to unexpected circumstances the later we play the better for us. If it is possible for you, we would prefer to start at 21:00 (or even 21:15-30). I hope it is acceptable for Czech Layback. I would appreciate your prompt reply. Thanks in advance for understanding. Kind regards, Angst | |
2010-12-03 07:53:25 • Andrey Sviridov (cr_spartak) | |
OH YEAH sqad - cRUSaders | # 5091 |
Hello all!
We agreed to play at 2010-12-05 10:30. I pay attention because we have changed time of start to earlier hours. | |
2010-11-09 16:48:52 • Tomo Dernovšek (jezek_si) | |
RE: 7 Outsiders : Slovenian Dragons 1 | # 5036 |
Thanks, Igor.
I confirm that day. Bye, Tomo | |
2010-11-09 14:43:26 • Igor Eged (ancientdragon) | |
7 Outsiders : Slovenian Dragons 1 | # 5035 |
Hello Slovenian Dragons 1,
if you insist on playing in evenings, we have one possibility to play tomorrow, 10.11.2010, 19:00 kurnik time. Please, write an confirmation here asap. Regards, Igor | |
2010-05-08 16:46 • Jan Purkrábek (czpaypurkys) | |
RE: Czech Layback vs The Lords of XO | # 4895 |
Hi Alex,
oka, Confirm, we will play on may 11, Tuesday, at 20:00 CET. Purkys | |
2010-05-08 16:42:33 • Alex Popiel (lolamaza) | |
RE: Czech Layback vs The Lords of XO | # 4894 |
Dear Jan,
In the temporary absence of our captain, I am forced to take on his duties this time to agree on the date and time of our match. We suggest that our fixture takes place on May 11, Tuesday, 20.00 CET. Best, Alex | |
2010-05-08 00:47:03 • Ilya Katsev (lobromozel) | |
RE: Czech Layback vs The Lords of XO | # 4893 |
I will ask our players and we will answer, during this day. | |
2010-05-07 23:47:40 • Jan Purkrábek (czpaypurkys) | |
RE: Czech Layback vs The Lords of XO | # 4892 |
Hi, unfortunately we can´t play this day...we have to find another date. So, when you can paly except of next Friday? | |
2010-05-07 13:19:02 • Ilya Katsev (lobromozel) | |
Czech Layback vs The Lords of XO | # 4891 |
Hi. I propose to play at May 14, 20:00
I'm waiting for confirmation from the captain of Czech Layback. (the reason is next: we found that one of our players cannot play at May 8) | |
2010-03-27 10:08:17 • Jan Purkrábek (czpaypurkys) | |
RE: Czech Layback - Company | # 4707 |
Hi rakdar,
so, You ´ve accepted our withdraw proposal in the end a and we will play this Sunday at 18:30? I ´m asking cus u told me before u can´t play this date...just to be sure. Thx. Purkys | |
2010-03-26 17:32:23 • Jan Purkrábek (czpaypurkys) | |
RE: Czech Layback - Company | # 4706 |
Hi,
thank you for your understanding! We can play next week on Thuesday(begin at 20:00 or later) or on Thursday (begin at 18:00 or later). We can also play on Friday and next weekend...but U told me you can´t play these days cus eastern. But we can´t really play this Saturday and Monday... So, which date dou you prefer? King Regards, Purkys | |
2010-03-25 20:51:52 • Dariusz Białkowski (com_rakdar) | |
Czech Layback - Company | # 4701 |
Hi
We ask about application 3 deadlines of game in next week convenient for your team Kind regards, rakdar | |
2010-03-19 21:22:01 • Piotr Małowiejski (dt_angst) | |
RE: DT - BC | # 4672 |
Hello,
I have informed my teammates. I hope at least 3 of them will come. See you tomorrow! Kind regards, Angst | |
2010-03-19 14:07:21 • Gergő Tóth (bcgergo) | |
DT - BC | # 4670 |
Hi Piotr and Dark Team!
20-03-2010 15:00 KT seems appropriate, hope no problems will accur, let's have a good fight! | |
2010-03-18 08:40:35 • Piotr Małowiejski (dt_angst) | |
Dark Team - Barbe Cube date | # 4666 |
Hello Gergo & all Barbe Cube players!
If your proposition is still valid, we can play on this Saturday at 15:00. I can't propose it in the match date section as it is closer than 72 hours to offered date. I would appreciate if you could confirm it here as soon as possible. Kind regards, Piotr | |
2010-03-13 11:53:07 • Ilya Katsev (lobromozel) | |
RE: Date of the match | # 4654 |
Okey, let's tomorrow at 10:00 in kaszuny room. | |
2010-03-12 10:02:30 • Pavel Šikula (czlkolecko) | |
RE: Date of the match | # 4653 |
I am not sure, that four players from our team can play in the evening! We must use admin date (Sunday, 14th, at 10.00). At admin date can play 4 our players! | |
2010-03-11 23:35:55 • Ilya Katsev (lobromozel) | |
RE: Date of the match | # 4650 |
Better later than 17.00 | |
2010-03-11 23:16:17 • Ilya Katsev (lobromozel) | |
RE: Date of the match | # 4649 |
No, sorry, it is too ealry!
We are ready to play later than 14:00. What about it? | |
2010-03-11 22:19:07 • Pavel Šikula (czlkolecko) | |
RE: Date of the match | # 4647 |
And what about Sundy morning? At 9:30? | |
2010-03-09 20:44:27 • Ilya Katsev (lobromozel) | |
RE: Date of the match | # 4643 |
Okey, thanks for the explanation.
And our proposition about the date of the match Czech Layback B - The Lords of XO is: Sunday, 14th, at 19:00 | |
2010-03-08 20:46:53 • Monika Kolouchová (olsava) | |
RE: Date of the match | # 4641 |
I think, it will be without problem if both captains will agree a new date here on forum. | |
2010-03-08 20:46:17 • Tomo Dernovšek (jezek_si) | |
RE: Date of the match | # 4640 |
6th round is prolong due to technical reason for 1 week. If teams cant find an acceptable date, admin date is Sunday, 14th, at 10.00.
If »Match date« doesnt work, you can agree with your opponent on this forum. | |
2010-03-08 20:02:52 • Ilya Katsev (lobromozel) | |
Date of the match | # 4639 |
Hey, admins!
We want to choose a possible date of the match (Czech Layback B - The Lords of XO). How can we make it??? | |
2010-03-06 16:20:35 • Ilya Katsev (lobromozel) | |
RE: Czech Layback B - The Lords of XO | # 4631 |
Sorry, I found that 20:30 is too late for us. | |
2010-03-06 15:11:04 • Vlad Nipoti (czpaybtc) | |
RE: Midi rod vs. Klub Rzeszow | # 4630 |
Hej
What does it mean you cant play today? We were agreed and everyone from our team planned this match today and now, few hours before the match, you say you cant play ? Why u didnt tell it before ? | |
2010-03-06 13:34:01 • Pavel Šikula (czlkolecko) | |
Czech Layback B - The Lords of XO | # 4629 |
We will play 7.3. (tomorrow) at 20:30. I wont change it but there were problems with server and now I cant change it because od 72 hours rule! | |
2010-03-06 12:12:24 • Michał Wileczek (krvilumisiek) | |
RE: Midi rod vs. Klub Rzeszow | # 4628 |
We cant play today. Sorry. | |
2010-03-06 08:55:41 • Monika Kolouchová (olsava) | |
Midi rod vs. Klub Rzeszow | # 4626 |
Hej Michal, we were agreed, that we will play today at 17:00 as you have proposed, but now I can see, you changed the date yesterday. What does it mean? It´s a mistake or you realy want to change the date? All my teammates are ready to play today... | |
2010-02-02 15:39:21 • Dabija Ovidiu (st0dd0) | |
match date with czlb | # 4550 |
Yes, of course. Thanks. We really can't play on the 3rd of February.I'll propose the change right now. | |
2010-02-02 10:01:53 • Pavel Šikula (czlkolecko) | |
RE: match date with czl B | # 4549 |
We can play 4.2. but not at 20:00. But 20:30 is for us possible! Our team will come 4.2. 20:30. Is it OK? | |
2010-01-29 18:56:04 • Dabija Ovidiu (st0dd0) | |
match date with czl B | # 4535 |
Hi,
As far as I understood we have to write here first a message before change an approved match date. i havent' got time at the proper moment to accept or decline the offer so the three days rule made it's victims. we'd like to play on 4th of February instead of 3rd of february if it is ok. Thanks and best of luck to all teams. Ovidiu Dabija aka. st0dd0 | |
2010-01-29 13:57:56 • Miroslav Háša (czlgregi) | |
Midi Rod NG - Luffarna | # 4534 |
We will not play on Saturday at 19:00 but at 20:00, thanks.
Gregi | |
2010-01-19 16:30:04 • Igor Eged (ancientdragon) | |
RE: Outsiders - BarbeCube | # 4505 |
Hello Gergo and Barbe Cube!
Yes, we agreed about this date of our match, I confirm this. Looking forward to nice and interesting games between our great teams! Hope it won't be scheme opens that decide but our fighting spirit and strong will :) iec | |
2010-01-19 16:05:59 • Gergő Tóth (bcgergo) | |
Outsiders - BarbeCube | # 4504 |
Dear Iec and Outsiders,
As we have talked about the date of our match, I ask you with respect to accept our agreed date. If I am right, this thursday (21 of Jan) at 18:00 is good for our teams. So I ask you and EL committee to accept my offer and let us play the coming game at 18.00, Thursday. Thank you and wish nice and fair games! | |
2010-01-05 15:34:10 • Attila Demján (bcattila) | |
RE: Euroleague Final Four 2010 Schedule | # 4456 |
Paris, here we comeee:) | |
2010-01-04 05:19:31 • ViNZ de la Fuente (vinzt2f) | |
Euroleague Final Four 2010 Schedule | # 4444 |
The Euroleague Top 16 Draw was scheduled on January 18, 2010 in Barcelona, Spain. The Top 16 finalist determine the lucky teams to play for the Euroleague’s Final Four Paris, France.
Visit Ticket2Final.com for your option tickets at face value. | |
2009-12-21 12:15:21 • Attila Demján (bcattila) | |
RE: Valahia - Barbe Cube | # 4408 |
Hey,
I must go away on the 22nd, I won't be home all the day. I am sure we can find a date during January 3... | |
2009-12-20 09:43:39 • Costinas Beniamin (vlh_dragon) | |
Valahia - Barbe Cube | # 4399 |
Hello , i talked with Attila , and he said 22 is good for him , and i remember you said it's good for you also (Gergo) . What is the problem now ?
If not 21 , 22 nor 23 ... I don't think we can find a date :) | |
2009-12-18 09:12:06 • Piotr Małowiejski (dt_angst) | |
RE: Dark Team - Midi Rod withdrawal | # 4388 |
Monika,
Thank you for understanding and your attempt. I hope that despite our problems we will be tough opponent tomorrow. Kind regards, Piotr | |
2009-12-18 08:34:18 • Monika Kolouchová (olsava) | |
RE: Dark Team - Midi Rod withdrawal | # 4386 |
Hello Angst and Dark Team!
I have not talked with all my teammates yet. But according to what I already know I can say, that your new date won´t be suitable for us because of christmas holiday. Sorry. Regards Monika & Midi Rod | |
2009-12-17 20:32:45 • Piotr Małowiejski (dt_angst) | |
Dark Team - Midi Rod withdrawal | # 4385 |
Hello Monika and Midi Rod team!
I would like to propose another date for our match: 27.12.; 16:00. We find it as much better than previously agreed. Please consider our proposition. In case proposed date is not suitable for your team, we would play as agreed. Thanks in advance. Kind regards, Angst | |
2009-12-07 14:45:53 • Andrey Sviridov (cr_spartak) | |
cRUSaders - Attack Team (withdrawal) | # 4322 |
Sorry Pawel. I have to ask you to overlook again my first proposal. If your team is able to play on Tuesday, maybe Thursday also will not be problem? For us it is much better to play Thursday 19-30. | |
2009-11-30 22:30:59 • Vlad Nipoti (czpaybtc) | |
Czech Layback B - Midi Rod NG | # 4307 |
Hello,
I would like to anounce, that midi ng will probably not be able to play against CZL B tomorrow. I wanted to catch your captain before, but did not suceeded. We propose to play one weak after. Thank you and Sorry. Best Regards, B. | |
2009-11-10 10:25:21 • Michał Wileczek (krvilumisiek) | |
RE: Klub - Out | # 4240 |
Thx for games & good luck in next rounds.
Klub Rzeszow - Outtogetyou 23:9 Round: 1 (4:4) 1 krjabik : paul1992 2 : 0 2 krmorph : fastfive 1 : 1 3 krcrosslet : hobemagi97 1 : 1 4 krvilumisiek : eurogomoku 0 : 2 Round: 2 (8:0) 1 krjabik : fastfive 2 : 0 2 krmorph : eurogomoku 2 : 0 3 krcrosslet : paul1992 2 : 0 4 krvilumisiek : hobemagi97 2 : 0 Round: 3 (7:1) 1 krjabik : hobemagi97 2 : 0 2 krmorph : paul1992 2 : 0 3 krcrosslet : eurogomoku 1 : 1 4 krvilumisiek : fastfive 2 : 0 Round: 4 (4:4) 1 krjabik : eurogomoku 1 : 1 2 krmorph : hobemagi97 1 : 1 3 krgrajko : gellyk 2 : 0 4 krminuta : fastfive 0 : 2 Klub Rzeszow • krjabik 7/8 • krmorph 6/8 • krcrosslet 4/6 • krvilumisiek 4/6 • krgrajko 2/2 • krminuta 0/2 Outtogetyou • eurogomoku 4/8 • fastfive 3/8 • hobemagi97 2/8 • gellyk 0/2 • paul1992 0/6 | |
2009-11-09 11:06:07 • Paul Väljataga (paul1992) | |
RE: Klub - Out | # 4238 |
Today is best! See you then! | |
2009-11-08 22:54:17 • Michał Wileczek (krvilumisiek) | |
RE: Klub - Out | # 4237 |
OMG X2, we can play also tomorow in your date 2009-11-09 at 19:00 if you want. | |
2009-11-08 21:55:37 • Michał Wileczek (krvilumisiek) | |
RE: Klub - Out | # 4236 |
OMG, we forgot about Independence day in yours date. I gave new prop. F***&sry | |
2009-11-08 21:08:34 • Paul Väljataga (paul1992) | |
RE: Klub - Out | # 4235 |
Good luck ;) | |
2009-11-08 20:13:19 • Michał Wileczek (krvilumisiek) | |
RE: Klub - Out | # 4234 |
It's ok. RTL & Eurosport will be broadcast live this match. Lets get ready to rumble! ;] | |
2009-11-06 18:54:38 • Paul Väljataga (paul1992) | |
RE: Klub - Out | # 4224 |
Hi. Sorry, week-ends are not very good for us. We proposed 2009-11-09 at 19:00. Hope it's good for you. | |
2009-11-04 19:52:14 • Michał Wileczek (krvilumisiek) | |
Klub - Out | # 4205 |
Hi, 2009-11-08 at 18.00 its ok? | |