| 2010-02-08 14:14:57 • Tomo Dernovšek (jezek_si) | |
to the new team members | # 4556 |
| - Esteurogomoku, you cant play with this nick, but with the old one (rule 2.6). Please, change it.
- Xsystem, please write your whole surname and add your location (rule 2.5) - Lef40, add your location - Bbbsladenkaya, please write your real surname (rule 2.5) | |
| 2010-01-30 13:14:01 • Tomo Dernovšek (jezek_si) | |
3-days rule | # 4538 |
| Some teams »break/broke« the 3-days rule.
I think the rules 6.1 - 6.10 are clear. Committee agrees with exception, if both captains agree with a new date. Both captains can harmonize a new date on the EL forum, by phone, email... When a problem happened (one team doesn't come at the new date/time) then a new date is valid only if both captains confirmed it on the public EL forum (as the captains of BC and Outsiders in the 4th round). This new date can be canceled only if both captains agree, otherwise not. A new date should be announced on the EL forum, because EL is public competition. #4534 MR NG – Luffarna I dont know if the new time is agreed. If yes, no problem. If no, the match should start at 19.00 (+ 10 min waiting – rule 7.1). Other(missing) players can join whenever during the match (rule 7.4). If Luffarna wants to wait 1 hour – no problem. # 4535 Superteam - CZL B Dabija, you neednt write anything on the forum, your withdraw is OK (rule 6.8) and you can just wait if a captain of CZLB accepts it or not. I would like to say, that this is my opinion only, which I will tell in the discusion if Committee has to solve a controversial case. Maybe we will include a new rule for such cases for the next season, if there are more cases about »breaking« 3-days rule. | |
| 2010-01-25 19:32:57 • Monika Zowadová (mrsmonika) | |
Summary of pp after 4. round | # 4519 |
| Sum of walkovers (3 walkovers=disqualification from the competition) :
1 w.o. - HanAsparuBG, Attack_Team Penalty points of the teams (30 and more pp = w.o. in the next round): 48pp..infinite llamas 15pp..Attack_Team 19pp..HanAsparuBG 8pp..Team Mollo 5pp..Klub Rzeszow 4pp..Barbe Cube, Luffarna, Company, Russian Alert 2pp..Easy Riders, Outtogetyou, Czech Layback B | |
| 2010-01-25 19:31:47 • Monika Zowadová (mrsmonika) | |
Penalty points-teams - 4. round | # 4518 |
| 5.2 playing with 2 players the whole match
10pp...infinite llamas 7.5 games by w.o. (-/+) 16pp...infinite llamas 6pp...HanAsparuhBG 4pp...Russian Alert 2pp...Czech Layback B | |
| 2010-01-08 21:42:36 • Monika Zowadová (mrsmonika) | |
Summary of pp after 3. round | # 4465 |
| Sum of walkovers (3 walkovers=disqualification from the competition) :
1 w.o. - HanAsparuBG Penalty points of the teams (30 pp = one w.o.): 22pp..infinite llamas 15pp..Attack_Team 13pp..HanAsparuBG 8pp..Team Mollo 5pp..Klub Rzeszow 4pp..Barbe Cube, Luffarna, Company 2pp..Easy Riders, Outtogetyou Penalty points of players(15+ pp - the player cannot play in the coming round) 5pp..ws_suczkins, atsnieznyy (Attack_Team), bcattila (Barbe Cube) | |
| 2010-01-08 21:37:07 • Monika Zowadová (mrsmonika) | |
Penalty points-teams - third round | # 4464 |
| 9.5 captain didn't approve the result
5pp...Attack_Team 5.2 playing with 3 players the whole match 5pp...HanAsparuhBG 7.5 games by w.o. (-/+) 8pp...HanAsparuhBG 5pp...infinite llamas 2pp...Attack_Team | |
| 2009-12-30 23:06:35 • Piotr Małowiejski (dt_angst) | |
RE: Gratitude | # 4434 |
| Dear Barbe Cube Friends,
I really regret that we need to discuss some issues in quite emotional way. However, no-one could promise that problematic things won’t happen even in such familial environment as great gomoku world. I feel obliged to respond, as the member of EL Committee. Let’s go to the meritum. To Gergo: “First thank you for giving us PPs without reasons according to any rules. (Okay, I have already known about the personal PPs after my teammate, Attila asked this here.)” You can see the reason for giving the PPs on your team site. There shall be always included short explanation (the rule used). “Secondly thanks that you had answered to my and my teammate's questions which I asked on 14th Dec in this forum so we could be calm not to get any PPs.” Honestly, I didn’t feel we should respond as your only post I found, dated 14th of December, was addressed to Alicecooper. Moreover, it is hard to find there concrete questions, except “too many times” definition request (I will reply it below) and “hun” players description (I suppose that this question shall Alicecooper be asked during your match). “Thirdly, I'm very grateful that you have incontestable evidences that we played against the rules. It seems that one whistle is enough to give PPs to anyone. (Sorry if you had at least 3-4 referees in the room when we played who saw our felony.)” There was one of the EL Committee members present. Probably one whistle is not too much, however we had official information from the opponent’s captain on EL Forum and confirmation of Attila’s graying from Committee member. For me, personally, the word of my colleague from Committee is equal to the undisputable proof. With no trust between us I can’t imagine the work in EL Committee. “Fourthly, I pay a tribute to you that you could announce it right on the date when we're about to play a match, it had embarrassed us not in the least, but this is the slightest thing in this case.” I really, really hope that you don’t believe it wasn’t coincidence. Monika explained the reasons and I am quite sure that next time she will try to check if the communication time won’t be embarrassing to anyone. Please remember that our work in the Committee is not our regular job. We use our free time for common pleasure and fun. We don’t expect your praise or admiration, however it would be really nice not to read such ironical statements too often. To Attila: “If my pps are deserved” I think it is beyond any doubt, even from your perspective, as you didn’t invalidate the fact of your multiple graying. The Rules are quite precise in this area. Making the access to play this season, you accepted them. We decided to give you 5 PPs (from maximum 15 PPs possible), as it was your first punishment (however, it was also not the first time we heard about you graying). “- Are there referees in every single match to check if players play according to the rules?” I really doubt we are. We are trying to be on as many matches as possible. However, as long as teams decide on match date, the situation won’t change significantly. On other hand I suppose everyone agree that the better is to play with no referee than have 5 referees and no players. Consequently, I think current rule of match date agreeing is much better. “- What amount of blinking means too much? ... Cause at least once, everyone blinks.” It is very hard to define it precisely. With no doubt one time is not too much. I would define it as: “often enough to be clearly visible and easily remembered”. However, it is still my personal definition. “- Why didn't the other players, who were blinking as much as me, got pps? f.e. roy..and I could write an endless list..” There was no other accusation on EL Forum. Our member didn’t see any other player blinking as frequently as you. “- Is it really enough that some captain quotes our dialogue on the forum to give me pps? (Cause I dont remember any referee who were watching me playing)” As I’ve written above we had official information confirmed by the EL Committee member. “Why did the committee decide to make this rule? In my opinion, firstly, in order to avoid cheating. -> If so, then it's not a good idea cause its sooo easy to cheat whitout blinking..And giving pps cause of blinking without cheating should be quite a dumb idea. Secondly, because it disturbs the opponent maybe?! If so, then why don't we have same rule in live tournaments? Cause it's totally the same as leaving my board in live. Who cares about blinking, I really don't understand... Why don't we and the COMMITTEE concentrate to the games instead of giving pps for nonsense things?? I ask someone to explain or persuade me why blinking means "unfair gaming".” Now we come to the second part of the discussion, that I find much more controversial. Your case is discussed also on Polish forum and we have many different opinions. Please allow me to share with my point of view. You fortunately made it easier, as you were able to reply yourself what was the most probable genesis of this rule. Currently, it is quite obvious that only really dumb cheaters are graying during their games. However, the situation was not the same few years ago. It has been changing with passing time, but the effect is that nowadays graying is still not well seen as it is associated with no fair-play behaviour. From my perspective it is less important factor. Much worse seems to me the fact of not fully focusing on your game that could be treated by your opponent as the lack of respect. It becomes more crucial in situation when the difference between player’s skills is bigger. Less experienced player can easily go to the ideas like eg.: “He is so much better… He even doesn’t need to look at the table to easily beat me… Oh, I am terribly weak player… It is probably highest time to find another hobby…” or something similar... I probably don’t need to explain that it could be also disturbing strictly visually for some players. Summarizing, I really don’t find continuous blinking as fully in accordance with the fair play spirit. Moreover, you compare graying to leaving the table during the live games. I can’t agree with you. Real live games are played at least a little bit longer than ten minutes usually. It is quite obvious that you need to drink, eat, straighten up yourself or go to the toilet. I believe you need sometimes to do similarly also while you are playing on-line game. However, is it really needed to leave the game window in such a situation? You have the right to your own opinion with no dispute. However, I hope that my clarification will be helpful to you to understand the attitude of other players who can understand fair-play in quite (or maybe a little) different way. If you have any other doubts or questions, please feel free to ask. I’ll try to reply on first occasion. Kind regards, Piotr Małowiejski, EL Committee member | |
| 2009-12-30 20:38:47 • Attila Demján (bcattila) | |
RE: Gratitude | # 4432 |
| I completly agree with Gergo and samely don't understand the way of punishment which I got.
If my pps are deserved and my bad behaviour was checked by a referee then I am wondering the following things: - Are there referees in every single match to check if players play according to the rules? - What amount of blinking means too much? ... Cause at least once, everyone blinks. - Why didn't the other players, who were blinking as much as me, got pps? f.e. roy..and I could write an endless list.. - Is it really enough that some captain quotes our dialogue on the forum to give me pps? (Cause I dont remember any referee who were watching me playing) - And for last my opinion about this rule: Why did the committee decide to make this rule? In my opinion, firstly, in order to avoid cheating. -> If so, then it's not a good idea cause its sooo easy to cheat whitout blinking..And giving pps cause of blinking without cheating should be quite a dumb idea. Secondly, because it disturbs the opponent maybe?! If so, then why don't we have same rule in live tournaments? Cause it's totally the same as leaving my board in live. Who cares about blinking, I really don't understand... Why don't we and the COMMITTEE concentrate to the games instead of giving pps for nonsense things?? I ask someone to explain or persuade me why blinking means "unfair gaming". Please dear referees, answer my questions. Thanks and happy new year! | |
| 2009-12-29 23:17:26 • Monika Zowadová (mrsmonika) | |
RE: Gratitude | # 4428 |
| -"Fourthly, I pay a tribute to you that you could announce it right on the date when we're about to play a match, it had embarrassed us not in the least, but this is the slightest thing in this case."
Committee is not mixed up with this announcement. I was waiting for all final decision for to count pp of second round and today I finally had time for to summarize it. There is no intention in it. I didn´t notice, that you play the match today. I am busy because of Christmas and studying, just counting pp and don´t monitoring matches :( | |
| 2009-12-29 22:36:34 • Gergő Tóth (bcgergo) | |
Gratitude | # 4427 |
| Dear Committee!
First thank you for giving us PPs without reasons according to any rules. (Okay, I have already known about the personal PPs after my teammate, Attila asked this here.) Secondly thanks that you had answered to my and my teammate's questions which I asked on 14th Dec in this forum so we could be calm not to get any PPs. Thirdly, I'm very grateful that you have incontestable evidences that we played against the rules. It seems that one whistle is enough to give PPs to anyone. (Sorry if you had at least 3-4 referees in the room when we played who saw our felony.) I guess checking every games which are being played is a hard work, I have my highest regard for you! Fourthly, I pay a tribute to you that you could announce it right on the date when we're about to play a match, it had embarrassed us not in the least, but this is the slightest thing in this case. Anyway, "Decision forum" is locked, so I took the liberty of writing here. One of Your greatest admire, Gergő Tóth | |
| 2009-12-29 17:27:43 • Monika Zowadová (mrsmonika) | |
RE: Summary of pp after 2. round | # 4426 |
| Hi,
It´s your personally penalization according to the decision of committee, because you were graying too many time in the match BC-DAW. All the final decision should be put to the "Decision forum" in near future. | |
| 2009-12-29 15:46:02 • Attila Demján (bcattila) | |
RE: Summary of pp after 2. round | # 4425 |
| Hi!
I would like to ask why did my team and personally me got penalty points? Thanks | |
| 2009-12-29 12:43:46 • Monika Zowadová (mrsmonika) | |
Summary of pp after 2. round | # 4424 |
| Sum of walkovers (3 walkovers=disqualification from the competition) :
1 w.o. - HanAsparuBG Penalty points of the teams (30 pp = one w.o.): 17pp..infinite llamas 8pp..Attack_Team, Team Mollo 5pp..Klub Rzeszow 4pp..Barbe Cube, Luffarna, Company 2pp..Easy Riders, Outtogetyou Penalty points of players(15+ pp - the player cannot play in the coming round) 5pp..ws_suczkins, atsnieznyy (Attack_Team), bcattila (Barbe Cube) | |
| 2009-12-29 12:17:52 • Monika Zowadová (mrsmonika) | |
RE: Join new player | # 4423 |
| Hi,
Rule 8.1 isn´t here without a reason. In a case captain can accept a player everytime and players can change a team when they want - it would be a lot of problems in this competition. This rule is here for to prevent eventual problems and is valid for everybody. You can ask for an exception but what I know, committee admits only cases which are not clear or when there is a problem with system. | |
| 2009-12-29 10:30:23 • Dabija Ovidiu (st0dd0) | |
Join new player | # 4422 |
| Hello,
I wanted to join a new player but it says that I can't cause the next round must be 3, 6, 9...why this rule? & is it possible to make an exception considering the fact that he has to wait 2 more months which is so long? Best wishes, Ovidiu | |
| 2009-12-18 10:20:57 • Andrey Sviridov (cr_spartak) | |
RE: 8.Move of players | # 4389 |
| Committee decided not to allow you to join new player. Czech Layback B played their match in the 2nd round on th 1st.Dec. You had enough time (almost 2 weeks) to add a new player. Bid of new player was late. | |
| 2009-12-17 15:47:59 • Monika Zowadová (mrsmonika) | |
Penalty points-teams - second round | # 4383 |
| 9.5 captain didn't approve the result
5pp...Attack_Team, Klub Rzeszow 5.2 playing with 3 players the whole match 5pp...infinite llamas, Team Mollo 7.5 games by w.o. (-/+) 8pp...infinite llamas, Team Mollo 3pp...Attack_Team 2pp...Company, Outtogetyou | |
| 2009-12-16 07:54:41 • Andrey Sviridov (cr_spartak) | |
RE: 8.Move of players | # 4372 |
| Your case will be decided by committee soon. | |
| 2009-12-15 16:16:58 • Pavel Šikula (czlkolecko) | |
RE: 8.Move of players | # 4366 |
| I want add "chapy". Thank you! | |
| 2009-12-15 15:52:37 • Andrey Sviridov (cr_spartak) | |
RE: 8.Move of players | # 4364 |
| Ok, then you should kick him out and say wich player you want to add. There are few in waiting list. | |
| 2009-12-15 15:19:11 • Pavel Šikula (czlkolecko) | |
RE: 8.Move of players | # 4363 |
| Yes, but one player dont play and I wont kick him... :-) | |
| 2009-12-15 15:13:54 • Andrey Sviridov (cr_spartak) | |
RE: 8.Move of players | # 4362 |
| From Rules:
2.2.A team consists of minimum 4 players and maximum 7 players at the beginning of EL. Your team now has 7 players and it is impossible to add a new one. | |
| 2009-12-15 13:58:50 • Pavel Šikula (czlkolecko) | |
8.Move of players | # 4361 |
| I have a task for admins about rule 8.1:
Our team(Czech Layback B)wont to accept new player, but 3. round started yesterday and I wont to accept him today. Is it possible? Thank you for answer! Kolecko | |
| 2009-12-14 01:59:01 • Gergő Tóth (bcgergo) | |
RE: grey | # 4341 |
| Reply to Alice.
At first: I join to the opinion of my teammate, I agree with him. 2nd: "too many times" - what do you mean by this? I was watchin other EL games, and it quite often happens, that somebody turns to grey for seconds. You should have told this to me during the games, I'm the captain of our team, but I got nor requests, neither warnings about this. 3rd: who do you mean by "hun" players? Call them by name when you have suspects. I had some disconnections during my matches, my connection broke twice suddenly, and sometimes I checked if all our players could begin his games, coz e.g. gabor had also some problems with net connection. But I don't want to excuse myself, because we believe in clear and fair play, as we've been always believed during all the seasons, so I don't know what you're gonna achieve with your words, but I have a feeling that it's all about sour grapes. Thanks again for nice games and good luck in following rounds. Gergő Tóth | |
| 2009-12-13 15:09:56 • Attila Demján (bcattila) | |
RE: grey | # 4339 |
| :)
I don't want to complain about the rules although I don't agree with some of them but I think it is totally unnecessary, alice. While I was playing against DW, some stuffs came to the surface which I had to solve in the same time as playing my games. The quality of my games prove that I couldn't pay enough attention. Basically I don't understand the "flashing rule" itself. Why must I watch the window of the actual game? I can imagine only two possible reasons... 1.) It disturbs the other player - If so, then the opponent signs it and I stop as much as I can. 2.) Act of cheating - Cheaters can cheat without flashing aswell, so flashing is not any kind of proof of cheat, moreover, cheaters can be catched easily by analysing their games... And for last, I am sure that none of Barbe Cube players were flashing more than roy:) So what are we talking about? What's your aim? | |
| 2009-12-12 19:02:39 • Marek Gorzecki (alicecooper_pl) | |
grey | # 4331 |
| 11.4. As far as possible, players must avoid leaving game window, or other means causing their nick name color change to grey.
so few words from our (DAW-BC) match: alicecooperpl: too many times hun players turn gray bcattila: sorry bcattila: i got some stuff to make done coincidentally no comment | |
| 2009-11-26 14:49:38 • Monika Zowadová (mrsmonika) | |
Summary of pp after first round | # 4296 |
| Sum of walkovers (3 walkovers=disqualification from the competition) :
1 w.o. - HanAsparuBG Penalty points of the teams (30 pp = one w.o.): 4pp..infinite llamas, Barbe Cube, Luffarna 2pp..Easy Riders, Company | |
| 2009-11-26 14:34:54 • Monika Zowadová (mrsmonika) | |
Penalty points - first round | # 4295 |
| 7.5 games by w.o.(-/+)
2pp ..Company 4pp...infinite llamas, Barbe Cube, Luffarna 5.6 wrong substitution 2pp .. Easy Riders | |