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2024-06-03 10:31:42 Mikhail Lomakin (mikle)
RE: very ashamed
# 7408
Serial Killers vs Wild Dragons 15:3
Really? 15:3?
They wanted to convince us that their teams were playing FAIR. They wanted to convince us that there was no match-fixing.
Are you still not ashamed, as I am ashamed of you?
2024-05-23 20:46:48 Marek Šúň (marek08)
Zerox vs Gomoku Gladiators
# 7405
The rival gomoku gladiators did not show up and we also have a screen that they are not interested in playing it
2024-05-22 06:00:29 Igor Eged (ancientdragon)
RE: Incorrect m-Buchholz coefficient
# 7404
Hi Dima,
for me it's more important we play in a stable environment without manual input and anyone with access to SP can verify it.
If some program is not perfect, we can indeed look for alternatives.
But as the same program is used widely in live tournaments aswell, I would suggest then the highest priority would be to adjust its usage in live tournaments first and then the EL can play the copycat ;)

Regards,
Igor
2024-05-19 13:15:26 Piotr Małowiejski (dt_angst)
RE: Incorrect m-Buchholz coefficient
# 7403
Hey!

No idea how exactly Swiss Perfect works, however as far as I know Buchholz works this way that all not played games are counted as 0,5 point for the needs of Buchholz calculating, regardles if team's result was - or +.

There are some additional rules how Buccholz is calculated and they are relatively hard to be find in the Internet. Nevertheless, -/+ is 0,5 for both teams (obviously 0 and 1 respectively in main table) and it's not Swiss Perfect fault.

Best regards,

Angst
2024-05-15 16:01:48 Dmitry Epifanov (owen)
RE: Incorrect m-Buchholz coefficient
# 7402
Hi, Igor!

The Swiss Perfect isn't that perfect. Its defaults aren't optimal, it makes mistakes in pairings, it makes suboptimal pairings sometimes. That's why SP isn't certified by FIDE. For several years we use Swiss Manager in Russia, it costs some money, but it is definitely better. Particularly this +0.5 in Buchholz is incorrect IMO.

Nevertheless, I understand your point that you are going to use the software without changes until the end of this season. My point is the following: you have to either get some better knowledge about SP's settings to ensure that calculations are correct or switch to a better software for the next season.

Dima.
2024-05-14 14:28:09 Ashot Avetisyan (ashot)
RE: Incorrect m-Buchholz coefficient
# 7401
sorry for the bad english, I'm using a translator
2024-05-14 14:22:35 Ashot Avetisyan (ashot)
RE: Incorrect m-Buchholz coefficient
# 7400
you still continue to insult, a person who, after a simple game, writes publicly (we destroyed you) as if it was a war, that says it all, we have sarcastic people and if no one says anything publicly, it doesn’t mean that they don’t understand, but this event will groan as one from the “glorious” days for gomoku I will no longer comment
2024-05-14 11:54:28 Yuriy Kraubner (yurius)
RE: Incorrect m-Buchholz coefficient
# 7399
I understood why this happened, because of the failed game Gomoku Gladiators -/+ Humans-2015, because the game did not take place, then Luffarna received an additional 0.5 points in Buchholz and average Buchholz. If the Gomoku Gladiators - Humans 2015 game had taken place, then most likely we would have been able to play in the playoffs 5-8. It's sad that such formalities (whether the Gomoku Gladiators team comes to the game with Humans 2015 or not) depends on the final place at the end of the season. Good luck to all teams in the playoff games.
2024-05-14 11:23:43 Zoltán László (scavenger)
RE: very ashamed
# 7398
Added some more snapshots to the folder where you were harassing Jenő on playok. You implied multiple times that we were unfair against you. That's insulting Ashot, whether you understand it or not.
Yeah sure, Bone at fault, a guy nobody dislikes in the whole entire community except you. Everyone's at fault but you, right? I'm done with this topic. You had 7 rounds to make it to top4, you couldn't, so stop crying.
2024-05-14 10:00:57 Igor Eged (ancientdragon)
RE: Incorrect m-Buchholz coefficient
# 7397
Hey,
we use swiss perfect software without any manual changes and respect its algorithm for all the seasons, all the round standings and pairings.
May be some +- results influence this, but surely we won't go to manual in this specific instance.
2024-05-14 08:30:16 Yuriy Kraubner (yurius)
Incorrect m-Buchholz coefficient
# 7396
Team Luffarna does not have the correct m-Buchholz coefficient (Wild Dragons - 5 points (not counted as the best result), Czech Payback - 5 points, MIND INFINITY - 4.5 points, Thunderstorm - 3.5 points, Heszlajepesz - 3 points, Gomoku Gladiators - 3 points, We are one - 1 point (does not count as the worst result). The total should be 19 points, not 19.5 points, as indicated in the final table. These 0.5 points are of fundamental importance, since they will determine, which of the teams: Luffarna and Thunderstorm will be higher in the table. The Thunderstorm team also has 19 points (Dark Team - 7 points (not counted as the best result), Czech Payback - 5 points, Wake - 4 points, Luffarna - 3.5 points, asianteam - 3.5 points, Heszlajebrouczek - 3 points, Lenochodi - 0 point (does not count as the worst result). Team Luffarna and team Thunderstorm should have the same m-Buchholz coefficient = 19 points. Please correct the mistake. And hold a new round pairing into account the correct table.
2024-05-14 01:03:40 Ashot Avetisyan (ashot)
RE: very ashamed
# 7395
I haven’t seen a single insult except to write that during the game the player must stop in the game this is an insult the player’s color turned blue and this is two times he was not in the room for more than 1 minute I said that this is not legal and not fair and the last one after your words as you wrote that we were destroyed, I modestly replied that it’s a game today, you win tomorrow, you can lose, don’t talk like that, you’re still lying, you had a lot of conversation, I read everything and didn’t want to answer anything, and was I also teasing? and as for Bone, everyone knows what happened, a player at every game I played came and started putting me in to play, I removed his answer from the table so as not to interfere, and for the answer I was forbidden to play longer, but it was all his fault, he remembered it well because from This can also be understood why you lost them if you have arguments for an answer, you can say otherwise, I see you are only good at insulting, you are good at it
2024-05-14 01:03:40 Ashot Avetisyan (ashot)
RE: very ashamed
# 7394
I haven’t seen a single insult except to write that during the game the player must stop in the game this is an insult the player’s color turned blue and this is two times he was not in the room for more than 1 minute I said that this is not legal and not fair and the last one after your words as you wrote that we were destroyed, I modestly replied that it’s a game today, you win tomorrow, you can lose, don’t talk like that, you’re still lying, you had a lot of conversation, I read everything and didn’t want to answer anything, and was I also teasing? and as for Bone, everyone knows what happened, a player at every game I played came and started putting me in to play, I removed his answer from the table so as not to interfere, and for the answer I was forbidden to play longer, but it was all his fault, he remembered it well because from This can also be understood why you lost them if you have arguments for an answer, you can say otherwise, I see you are only good at insulting, you are good at it
2024-05-13 23:14:16 Zoltán László (scavenger)
RE: very ashamed
# 7393
Since I don't really take snaps of these, I only have a few but here you go: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16NxhA8wfxLAIUHSDXPUmboTfyvNf82SX?usp=sharing
You came to our table where I played with Kiki and you went on a rampage in the chat, which was frankly ignored by everyone. Who the liar now? Not to mention you harassing Jenő Mucsi on playok and let's also not forget what you did with boneslash a few years ago in WBC just because he cheered for someone else. Losing is part of the game, learn to lose, you are supposed to be a grown man, stop crying and act like one.
2024-05-13 22:14:54 Ashot Avetisyan (ashot)
RE: very ashamed
# 7392
you write about courage but you forget that a man must first of all behave decently and will not insult others you write that I insult but this has never happened but I remember about you a couple of days ago you came to the table where I was playing with Lucy Ciaran and wrote this (you completely destroyed us, that if your player had not lost the game to me, then I might not have won a single game, I heard all sorts of sarcastic things and saw how dare you) I wonder what people think: should an adequate man behave like this ?
2024-05-13 21:48:06 Ashot Avetisyan (ashot)
RE: very ashamed
# 7391
I didn’t insult anyone, but if you’re so-so then I’ll answer that you’re not the person who can give me advice or write (It’s time for you to grow eggs and become a man) so an adequate person can never write; reasons, it insults people, and if you want, you can come to play with us, I’m always glad to meet people who like gomoku, if not, don’t call people virtual, you’re also lying that I insulted the players after the defeat, this never happened, you’re also good at lying
2024-05-13 20:29:38 Łukasz Majksner (scammer)
RE: very ashamed
# 7390
Mikle, with all due respect, I hope you are aware of the fact that with your messages you conveyed the following implications:

1. Besides "the key players" Serial Chillers is a weak team incapable of winning a match against Wild Dragons.
2. Wild Dragons is a weak team that is guaranteed to lose against Serial Chillers, given "the key players" actively participating in the match.

I hope you understand now how unfair your statement was.
2024-05-13 20:28:43 Zoltán László (scavenger)
RE: very ashamed
# 7389
I like to think we have 5 key players, to be fair. :)
2024-05-13 19:55:49 Mikhael Lomakin (mikle)
RE: very ashamed
# 7388
Hi Igor and Zoli!
I'm sorry if I offended you.
I didn't plan on doing this.
I just want to draw attention to this situation. When a team has qualified for the next stage of the competition and loses a game or does not score as many points in a match as it could, because key players miss the game - this is described in the article "Match-fixing". It wasn't my idea. In sports, such matches are considered to be match-fixing.
If you knew that and deliberately played it that way, then it's very bad.
If you didn't know that, then it can be fixed.

With regards, Mikle
2024-05-13 14:45:09 Igor Eged (ancientdragon)
RE: very ashamed
# 7387
Hi Mikle,
I also don't understand why are you mentioning our team, its one thing that SC played in suboptimal lineup, but our team just fought for the win when we had the chance, there was no shadow agreement or something, so please don't insult our team ;)
2024-05-13 13:30:52 Zoltán László (scavenger)
RE: very ashamed
# 7386
My win ratio is not an accident, it's skill and preparation. Might be news to you but if you repeat the same opening, people can prepare for it. Anyhow, I'm getting tired of you sarcastically implying that I cheat, it's already at least the 5th time. I have already proven myself in live tournaments more than enough, what about you? You are very welcome to come to a live tournament and there we can play face to face and I promise you the result will be the same. Besides, it's time you grow some balls and be a man, you can't go around harassing and insulting people everytime you lose. Get real.
2024-05-13 11:02:19 Ashot Avetisyan (ashot)
RE: very ashamed
# 7385
No Mikhail, I don’t agree with you, they are decent people and didn’t do this, it’s probably an accident, just like it’s an accident that the players will win 100% of all the games
2024-05-13 09:51:31 Zoltán László (scavenger)
RE: very ashamed
# 7384
Dear Mikle,

Please acknowledge that the fact that we already qualified to 1-4 playoffs before the last round and the fact that me not playing in a match is not match fixing. I was glad to provide the teammates that didn't play as much in the previous rounds some games. We lost a match which had no stake for us but if you take a look at the games, all of my teammates that played did try to win those games. Many times it was only decided in time trouble. EL is more of a friendly competition, why wouldn't I use the opportunity to give more team members the chance to play games in the tournament? It's nothing new in sports, not just gomoku. I understand you may be upset that the end result meant you will only reach 5-8 playoffs this time but that doesn't give you the right to call any of us unfair. We all had 7 rounds to achieve our goals in the base season, not just this one. Please reconsider this.

Kind regards,
Zoli
2024-05-11 15:56:24 Mikhail Lomakin (mikle)
very ashamed
# 7383
I've been playing gomoku for 41 years.
I know that winning is very good. But it's even better to win fairly.
And I also know what unfair play is. It's not just using a computer to help.
These are also match fixing.
Today I am very ashamed of Wild Dragons and Serial Chillers.
2024-04-25 14:47:38 Yuriy Kraubner (yurius)
Incorrect personal statistic
# 7380
Please correct incorrect personal statistics for Thunderstorm team players: yurius, vladimirs, obormot (not included in the 5th round game Lenochodi 0:18 Thunderstorm)
2024-02-11 21:35:39 Igor Eged (ancientdragon)
playoff
# 7347
The detailed description of the playoff phase was added to the rules, article 4.1.1.
2024-01-31 09:56:32 Yuriy Kraubner (yurius)
Playoff
# 7346
Hello. It was not possible to find in the rules how pairs will be formed in the playoffs (8th and 9th rounds). Do I understand correctly that in the 8th round (semi-final) according to the final table (after 7 rounds): 1st place will have to play with 4th place, 2nd - 3rd, 5th - 8th, 6th - 7th, 9th - 12th, 10th - 11th, and so on. And in the 9th round, will the winners of the pairs in their quartets play each other? Will the losers play a match for 3rd place in their quartets?

8 round: 1 - 4, 2 - 3, 5 - 8, 6 - 7, 9 - 12, 11 - 10, 13 - 16, 14 - 15, 17 - 18

9 round:
winner 1 - 4 / winner 2 - 3;
losers 1 - 4 / losers 2 - 3;
winner 5 - 8 / winner 6 - 7;
losers 5 - 8 / losers 6 - 7;
winner 9 - 12 / winner 11 - 10;
losers 9 - 12 / losers 11 - 10;
winner 13 - 16 / winner 14 - 15;
losers 13 - 16 / losers 14 - 15;

Best regards, Yuriy
2024-01-27 17:24:47 Daniel Tsolov (danieltsolov)
Lenochodi - We are one
# 7345
Hello! We can't play today because my teammates decided to go to the cinema instead. You can write yourself a win.
2024-01-22 19:31:04 Csaba Kamarás (wocsaba)
RE: Lenochodi - We are one
# 7344
See you at the table!
2024-01-22 19:29:45 Csaba Kamarás (wocsaba)
Lenochodi - We are one
# 7343
Daniel Tsolov wrote to our team this message on this page https://euroleague.cz/php/matchdate.php?pai=1836 :

2024-01-21 10:57:56 - Daniel Tsolov (danieltsolov)
I gave my account to a friend yesterday because I couldn't play. I don't know exactly what happened but first I want to apologize for my dumb teammates Vinnetou and BigEndru. From what I know it is 6:2 for us so far. Can we play the rest of the games in the last week?

My answer on 2024-01-21 19:00:30: Hello! At we are ready ready to play the whole match from the beginning at 27.01.2024 at 18:00 PM. (from 0-0)

They answered on 2024-01-22 16:26:37: Hello! We agree to play the match from the beginning at the time you suggested.

Our team completely forgive to the team of Lenochodi. We know they are new players at least in EL, and we would like to help them the teach acceptable behaviour and the fair play. We agreed to play this match on 27.01.2024 at 18:00 PM. (from 0-0) again.

As a captain of We are One team I hereby asked the commitee to accept our decision and ask the commitee please do not punish any of the even the Lenochodi team and us.
Thank you so much.
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